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Location:

Draper,UT,USA

Member Since:

Dec 31, 2007

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Lots of  Sub 19 5k

37 min 10 K

1:18 Half Marathon at Hobble Creek 2010

1:24 Half Marathon at Hobble Creek 2009

2:59 Marathon at St. George 2009

1:26 Painters Half 2010

1:23 Canyon Lands Half 2010

2:51 St. George 2010

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Run Boston

Stay Healthy 

Run some 5ks

Break sub 18 at the 5K

St George 2011 Sub 2:45

 

More to come

Long-Term Running Goals:

I keep dreaming of a sub 16 5k - that isn't very realistc.

I guess I just want to stay in shape and try to improve. Drop my 5k time and break 1:15 in the half Marathon and 2:45 in the full

Personal:

Happily married to Suzanne 4 Kids: Mikayla 12, Brittany 10, Nathan 7 Brighton 3 

Ether 12:27 And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

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Race: St. George Marathon (26.2 Miles) 02:59:15, Place overall: 135, Place in age division: 32
Total Distance
26.20

Place is based off of Men alone 153 overall.  I got my Sub 3 I'll write more later.  I am still so sore hasn't been this bad since my first.

Life is full of adversity and I guess in some weird way that is why I enjoy running so much.  It always seems to be some type of microscopic symbolic model analogy to life.  I thought a lot about the day I might break the 3 hour Marathon.  Over the last 4 and half years since I ran my first and realized how difficult it would be do it became a major “bucket list item for me”.  It required the type of dedication that I can only associate with worthwhile human relationships.  It required a huge about of sacrifice, not only of time but of activities, will power, sleep, health, pain, blood, sweat and tears.  It has consumed me to the point that I have become a different man.  I would hope a better man but it has also helped me to realize flaws in my armor.  In some ways I feel more selfish for spending so much time but in other ways I hope I inspire others to dedicate themselves to higher causes.

 I know that it is a goal far easier for some to achieve then others.  There are those that run better that put forth far less effort and many more that work much harder yet can’t achieve similar results no matter how much they try.  Obviously I have been blessed with a fair amount of good health and talent.  This probably puts more emphasis on what happens before the race and the extensive training I have put in for many years.  However, there is another payment that comes after.  When you push yourself beyond what you can do and your body pays a physical toll for having crossed the bridge.  The emotional drain left me in tears and the physical pain left me just short of wanting to trade it in for physical relief.

 

Race day was pretty normal I had tapered well of course I couldn’t sleep before and my nerves were completely shot.  After a solid 3 and half hours of sleep I awoke and prepared myself.  Starting in the bathroom with the usual stomach med Prilosec, shaving, lather up with the usual pre race ICEE HOT.  I used my Advair inhaler, Afrin, and ate a fruit leather and power bar,  I drank a half bottle of Gatorade finished dressing in my singlet, shorts, and racing flats with two extra long sleeve shirts, a sweatshirt, and pants to keep warm plus hat.  I took the shuttle first to the bus then bused up the mountain I made the usual chatter with those around me.  We arrived at 4:48 less than 2 hours until race time.  I ran to the bomb fire and tried to drink and relax.  I took my N.O. Explode. 3 pseudoephedrine, 2 Imodium another 2 fruit leathers, 2 ibuprofen, 1 loratab, 1 power bar and one bottle of Gatorade along with a packet of electrolyte before the race ever started.  IT was way too much and I think I am just about ready to throw out all chemicals every again for the price I would pay after the race.  Talking and changing and running back and forth to the port a potty had me end up at the starting line late.

I was far enough away I never heard the gun fire and by the time I got started the clock had been running for 2:44.  This left me in a state of panic and I started way to fast.  In the first minute my HR hit 186 for about a 20 second stretch.  As soon as I realized it I started to settle down.  I started around the 4 hour crowd and for the first 4 miles I felt like a Salmon swimming upstream.  I was constantly dodging people weaving in and out.  I felt like a little boy running through a crowded mall at Christmas time.  I tried not to touch anyone but I am sure I rubbed up against a few unsuspecting souls.  A lot of that time I spent running in the ditch on the side of the road jumping over sage brush.   It was dark and the moon which had been a couple days from being full had lowered back down the West mountains but still provided a little bit of reflective light to the sky as the sun was still another hour from exposing itself in the East.   After two miles, I ditched my plastic bag and that at least made things a little quiter.  At mile three my left shoe became untied this further frustrated me that I didn’t start right and remember to tie a double knot.  I ran another mile and then I stopped to tie it.  With gloves on and in the dark it seemed impossible to fix the knot I wound it two times and pulled it through itself slip knot style hopping it would hold.  It did the rest of the way.  Two miles later I ditched my last long sleeve shirt along with the gloves.  We had been blessed with a tail wind at the start and nice cool temps in the 40’s Even with all the adversity I hit my 10 K at about 41 minutes.  The first 7 miles were

1 7:00 min HRA 156

2 6:52 min HRA 161

3 6:24 min HRA 161

4 6:33 min HRA 163

5 6:41 min HRA 165

6 6:13 min  HRA 162

7 6:22 min HRA 163

I am sure the cool temps were keeping the heart rate artificially low.  I am kind of curious where I would have been had I not been hooking and bobing in and out of traffic.  The first two miles have a bit of up hill then it drops significantly.  The added time at mile 5 is probably from me stopping to tie the shoe.  At mile seven  you start up hill.  Last year I made a conscious decision to slow it down here because of a tendonitis problem.  This year a I made it a decision to turn it up a notch.  The hills didn’t scare me and the fact that I was still back with a slower pack made me feel confident as I passed so many people.  It was starting to get light and the effects of the sun could be seen. I continued up the hills. I hit my half way point 49 seconds ahead of my goal time of 1:31:25 at mile 14 I was ready to hit the down hill and I felt confident the Sub 3 was still in my grasp. 8-14 was like this.

8 7:40 min HRA 167

9 7:32 min HRA 162

10 7:14 min HRA 165

11 7:39 min HRA 165

12 7:13 min HRA 164

13 6:38 min HRA 166

14 6:46 min HRA 166

It didn’t take long into the downhill until I started to feel the effect of the speed.  My left hip really started to ache right around where I had the stress fracture this last winter.  That made me worry but I wasn’t willing to slow up.  I knew I still needed to make up time.  I passed a couple of friends Camdog who had just down a 100 miler 3 weeks before and S.T.  My right foot really started to hurt on the big toe at mile 16 and by mile 18 I could see that a huge blister had busted and stained the inside of my shoe with blood.  The bones hurt enough that I barely noticed the pain from the blister.  That is one thing about speed.  As much as it hurts it is almost numbing.  Then again maybe that was just the Loratab.  One last little uphill was a nice relief because I didn’t feel the bone chortling slamming of my joints quite as hard going uphill.  As I hit mile 20 the temperature really started to rise and so did my heart rate.  I felt confident the Sub three was mine as long as disaster didn’t hit.

15 6:23 min HRA 167

16 6:12 min HRA 166

17 6:33 min HRA 167

18 6:33 min HRA 168

19 6:46 min HRA 172

20 7:04 min HRA 170

 

Mile 21 starts back into the downhill and I was off again.  Soon effort I was noticing people pulling up around me.  In hindsight these were probably people having cramps and bonking I just kept digging deeper and running.   A few little rolling hills and I was nearing town.  I was really paying attention to my splits.  Some times when I runner bonks he is the last to know.  Things were going well I was doing a lot of math in my head I felt confident. The joints hurt and unlike last year I didn’t look like I was having a good time.  I was grimacing for the majority of the last three miles.  With about 1 to go the sign said 25.2 that couldn’t be right I though where was the 25 mile sign.  I grabbed a Gatorade thinking it was water while looking at the sign and through it in my face.  Well let me just tell you Gatorade in the eye feels nothing like a massage.  As I turned the next corner I saw the 25.2 sign. I grabbed a wet towel which is for cleaning off but I sucked some of the water out and I swear they put a lot of bleach in that water.  I Cleaned off for the approach.  The signs ticked by quick I saw Suzanne in the Grand Stand and gave her my preconceived SUB three sign.  Starting as late as I did she was sure I wouldn’t get it.  Final numbers were.

21 6:26 min HRA 166

22 7:00 min HRA 170

23 6:40 min HRA 172

24 6:48 min HRA 174

25 7:02 min HRA 175

26 7:18 min HRA 175

26.2 90 secs HRA 176

Total HRA 167

After I finished I walked slowly through the mister found Suzanne and we hugged and cried.  I walked around for ten minutes before getting a massage and started to cramp up.  After that it was back to the potty, then to the hotel, then back for my drop bag and to talk with friends.  We left about 1:00 and I felt like I was on deaths door the whole way home.  I hadn’t felt remotely close to this bad since my first marathon.  I think it was all the crap I took and I have just about sworn it off.  We stopped a dozen times I will spare you some of the details.  When I arrived home my friend Steve gave me an IV.  I couldn’t eat much or drink much for the next 36 hours.  I already signed up again for next year but I am not sure how hard I will push it again.  Like I have always said I am kind of a 5 K guy and not a naturally born runner.  Oh well here is to anyone who wants to give it a try.

 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00Weight: 175.80
Comments
From Burt on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 15:24:46 from 98.167.151.26

Great job. Maybe that marathon you ran three weeks ago, although not all out, still had some lingering effects on how you feel now. But hey, you got that sub 3 you wanted.

From RivertonPaul on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 18:44:15 from 75.169.4.137

Congrats on the sub 3. Nice dedication. Good to see you after the marathon.

From drvosti on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:33:04 from 67.169.241.217

Congrats Matt! Great job working through injuries and adversity. It was a great day for a marathon.

From Kelli on Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 21:42:18 from 71.219.96.151

HA! I just said that on my blog! I have NEVER felt so crummy after a race, I can not even cough or laugh without pain. And forget walking!!!!

Nice job on the race, can not wait to hear the full report.

From josse on Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 00:21:04 from 70.193.156.88

Congrats on the sub-3!

From Matt on Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 17:51:31 from 65.121.71.253

Finally finished my blog.

Burt, thanks for your support. I am not sure about the Marathon 2 weeks ago but it could have had a slight effect. I would say huge effect if I were to run one in another 2 weeks but that has more to do with the effort and intensity of this one.

Paul,

It was great to finally meet you. I am a squirrel looking for a nut in your world. You impressed me big time. Way to raise the bar.

Dr. V congrats to you for sticking with it through adversity. I'll see you soon.

Kelli, Thanks for the empathy congrats on the BQ. We will be out there toghther.

Josse, thanks a buch I wish I were half the runner I think you are. You really help motivate me and I love reading your reports.

From Cal on Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 18:00:26 from 66.133.117.3

wow, that's a great report. huge congratulations on the sub-3 that is really awesome! sounds like you really did pay the price for your effort. i'm happy that you're feeling better today.

were you wearing your black outfit saturday? i could have sworn that i recognized you from your blog picture during those last few miles. then i saw your finish time and thought i was wrong. but knowing that you had a delayed start that makes more sense too.

From Matt on Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 18:23:17 from 65.121.71.253

Actually I was wearing the black outfit first time since the orginal picture but I figured it would be coold enough the black wouldn't over heat to much. I'll look for you next time. Congrats to you as well.

From Kelli on Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 18:23:22 from 71.219.96.151

WOW, that is quite the race report!!! I have to tell you, I have been downing ibuprofen and Aleve with my foot injury for the past two months. i took 4 before the race and had some seriously scary side effects. So, I too have sworn off medication!!!

I can not believe that you chucked gatorade into your face---OUCH!!! I am glad they had the bleachy wash rag for you to clean up, you must have been a sticky mess!

I loved the insight at the beginning of the report. So very true!! We sacrifice a lot for this training and racing, but I do hope it is making us all better people.

From fly on the Wall on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:46:55 from 168.179.215.132

Congratulations on your sub 3! I know first hand how it feels to pour Gatorade in your eye!

Matt, I'm a stranger and I've no idea what a non-race day entails for you but you seem to have been a running pharmacopoeia lab rat. You dosed with oxymetazoline, caffeine, pseudoephedrine, fluticasone, salmeterol, hydrocodone, acetaminophen, and more. Have you ever talked to a doctor or pharmacist about what the possible synergistic effect of all that could be? Did you feel high as a kite? Geeze no wonder you had a 36+ hour hangover. I don't know but it sounds scary. Good luck to you. Respectfully, Fly on the Wall

From Kelli on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:49:12 from 71.219.96.151

I like all of the technical terms for the meds, fly.

From Matt on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 12:57:42 from 65.121.71.253

Fly,

This is a really good question here is my albeit longwinded answer. My non race day drug regime would include the Advair (fluticasone and salmeterol also a lung steroid in laymen’s terms I take it for my asthma)and the prilosec (which I take for acid reflux, dad died of stomach cancer at 51 and I have the same issues. Depending on the time of year I take Allegra (fexofenadine technical term used for hay fever allergies which mine are as bad as anyone’s I ever meet, I use to bleed through football practice as a boy because I was so allergic to the grass, they have improved over time with weight loss and a better diet) as well.

I would definitely include the advair amongst a long list of PED's (performance enhancing drugs) Depending on the venue some PED's would be legal or illegal in certain venues or tolerable to certain levels.

I have talked to a number of doctors, medical professional, and pharmacists about the different drugs and there effects. I should probably do more research on the combinations. I don’t recall taking any acetaminophen (Tylenol) on race day but I have on several occasions although not in the last year. The ibuprofen is for anti inflammatory which although not technically a PED limiting pain and inflammation can definitely be seen to help performance but has also been non to cause kidney damage and even lead to death.

The Hydrocodone, although it is technically not a PED was probably the cause of my worst misery. Two times this year I have taken it once at Hobble Creek and once at St George and after both races I was extremely nauseous although much more so in St. George. Several years back I took it for about 8 weeks right before soccer games. It left me so oblivious to the pain that I ended up tearing my left abductor without knowing about it. I took it this year at Hobble Creek because I had torn my shoulder a few weeks before and wanted to numb the pain. I took it at St. George because of the perceived pain I thought I would go through and a fear of using Ibuprofen instead.

I regularly never take caffeine. I don’t each much chocolate; I never drink coffee, and I rarely drink sodas. Although on race day I use 5 hour energy which for a non coffee drinker is a major stimulant and works as a huge PED. As a side note it works better on shorter distances though and again is a major cause of my, as you put and for lake of a better word, “hangover”. Caffeine is also a huge diuretic and is the cause of a lot of my post race dehydration that combined with the lactic acid which caused my post race nausea and left me with the inability to flush out my system.

The N.O explode on top of being full of lots of Amino acids and some creatine also includes a substainal amount of Caffeine. I have been actually taking Arginine and Glutamine by itself to see how much of the effect I feel I have seen from the N.O. is from the amino acids and how much is caffeine. I am sure this further added to my post race demise.

The Imodium (Loperamide) is to avoid the unwanted potty break and probably to offset the nausea caused by putting so much crap (drugs) in your system at once.

Lastly, The pseudoephedrine, it is another definite PED. It helps open the air ways and lot of other things. I think the effect of any one drug would be more positive if taken alone. The combination I would tend to think has a more negative effect as I have grown to experience. I think I have just about thrown in the towel on everything with the exception of my prescription meds I take daily and the N.O. I use in cycles for body building and will probably continue with on race days. I probably need to learn how to calm my nerves both prerace and race day through meditation and not medication.

I really don’t want to go through this post race ever again. Maybe if I do more intense pre race training I can get my body to adapt to the lactic more. Speed is the one thing I avoid except on race day. I have talked to a lot of people who use and a lot who don’t. I include it on my blog as more of an open declaration and will continue to do so. As I have talked to friends in different sports endurance, running and others I am always curious what advantages are gained through different foods, medications, and routines. I could probably add quite a bit on pre race eating for the week and other items that seem more trivial to me but would be of more value to some. As always thanks for your comments Fly.

From Kelli on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 13:27:02 from 71.219.96.151

Well, whatever you do, keep taking the advair and the prilosec! My husband also takes advair and it has been AMAZING for him, it is a great drug (although I wish we could get a generic soon!!!)

Thanks for posting the reasons for all of the medication and stuff, very interesting. I always take Immodium the night before and the day of,and I think everyone can understand that! I just wish it always worked!!! But the Ibuprofen and Aleve scared me this time with some very nast side effects. I have read up on all of that the last few days and it is FREAKY what you can do by taking it before a race. I know I could not have run if I had not taken it, my foot hurts too much, but man did I get sick!!!

Anyway, thanks for sharing all of that. Very interesting.

From fly on the Wall on Tue, Oct 06, 2009 at 18:11:17 from 168.179.215.132

Matt,

Excellent, you obviously have thought about and researched all of those meds/drugs. As Kelli said, thank you for sharing.

You have my empathy on the allergies. Mine can be severe as well. I have never bleed from grass (except for nose bleeds) but I have been left with red welts from repeated contact such as running through tall grasses.

I have been tested and am allergic to all grasses, weeds, trees... everything in the test except cats, horses, down, and one type of mold. I used to just suffer because the first generation antihistamines made me feel too dopey. Then I used Allegra , Maxair (pirbuterol acetate for asthma), prescription eye drops (I don't recall what), and Nasonex (Mometasone nasal spray/ a corticosteroid or steroid nasal spray). Now, except for a few really bad days, I just take the Nasonex (daily).

I drink maybe one cup of coffee every few months and cut out all caffeine during my 3 week taper. Then I dose myself during the race with caffeinated gels.

I think acetaminophen is in the Loratab you took. What kind of surprised me was that you had all of that stuff in you at once and then ran a marathon... a sub 3 marathon. I have no medical background what so ever. But is that a good idea? As you've reported it seems to have left you a little (or a lot?) worse for wear, but it's hard to know how much of that was due to your sub 3 effort.

From Matt on Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 18:09:17 from 71.36.82.117

Fly,

sorry not to get back to you faster. TO answer your question in short I would say no it is not a good idea. I don't think I will ever do that again and as much as I expected postive results I think it brought on more negative results. It might be to much of a good thing but on top of that for a race that long it is just to much stuff in one system. I like you will probably just stick with the race day caffeine along with my daily meds or something in place of the caffeine. I am kind of thinking the nect couple races I won't use anything and see how I compare.

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